barack obama's been in the office for four years. pretty much every american already knows who they're going to vote for. all they want to do is go and vote. i'm voting in ohio next week, most americans do -- >> wait a minute, jason. you already know how -- the presidential debates haven't happened. i know you will be glued to the set. >> i've been watching these guys for years, i know who's good and who's bad. it's not that complicated at this point. >> so, ron, both candidates are fighting for a tiny teeny bet of the electorate. is this normal? >> no, i think it's very normal. it's been reflective over the last two or three presidential cycles. if you look at it in the early voting, you have both sides have the low 40s in terms of a base election, you have people in 42%, 43% saying we know who we're going to vote for. now they're focused on the ot r other, you know, between 5% or 8% and 9% of how can they sway the swaying voters? and that's what these debates and that's what the last five weeks are going to be an attempt to do. so,